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learn more visit Robby Graham UK hello

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this is David Marlar and you're

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listening to somewhere in the skies with

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this is somewhere in the skies the

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague in 2016 I was

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asked to contribute an original essay to

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a book that would be compiled and edited

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by cinema studies professor and UFO

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researcher Robbie Graham the book was

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called UFOs reframing the debate in

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short there was a collection of essays

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exploring alternative perspectives on

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UFOs and how we might more usefully

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study the phenomenon in the 21st century

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it was released in 2017 and it was a

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cold hard slap in the face for ufology

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it was a call to break away from

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established ideas approaches and

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practices and it boldly treaded a new

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path in understanding what may very well

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be the greatest mystery of our time as

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it can imagine the book was both loved

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and hated with such varying theories and

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book was as divisive as it was it takes

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a lot to challenge people's thoughts and

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beliefs it takes even more to change

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them but with this book we didn't set

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out to change anyone's mind on the UFO

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phenomenon and the way we investigated

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study it we merely wanted to shake

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things up and make people think and

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that's exactly what I wanted to do with

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my essay and with permission by Robbie

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Graham and white crow books I now bring

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you my essay in its entirety I hope

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you'll pick up the book to read the

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incredible eye opening and mind

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expanding essays that make up UFOs

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reframing the debate and I hope you

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enjoy my essay titled Frankenstein and

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flying saucers creating destroying and

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on November 17th 2012 the Association

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for the scientific study of anomalous

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phenomena held a summit in England to

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determine if you follow G was a dead

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field it was based on the notion that

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UFO sightings were in a steep decline

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directly following the summit chairman

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of ASSA P Dave wood told the UK

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Telegraph we look at these things on the

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balance of possibilities and this area

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of study has been ongoing for decades

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the lack of compelling evidence beyond

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the pure anecdotal suggests that on the

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balance of probabilities nothing is out

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there it is certainly a possibility that

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in ten years time it will be a dead

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subject these were sobering words and

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they made international headlines the

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true believers simply shrugged off woods

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statement as nothing more than

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aggressive UFO debunker II and perhaps

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rightfully so similar words have been

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spoken many times before in an article

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for sasser's magazine max Miller stated

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vanished in recent years due to a lack

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of sightings and important developments

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also the unimaginable quantity of

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material almost wholly devoid of a new

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approach or even new data has flooded

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the UFO field in recent years and has

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done little more than to lose a

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respectable subject with wholesale

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garbage that quote by Miller was written

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2012 UK summit essentially same

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discussion of the same issue separated

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evolved anomalous objects in the sky

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have become increasingly identifiable

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year after year the heart rate of

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ufology seems to weaken some would argue

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it's already flatlined

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after death

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researcher and author Jenny Randall's

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states eventually something will spark

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humanity's desire to know about these

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things which any prolonged absence of

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wide public reporting will fuel this

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spark of interest has taken many forms

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throughout the history of ethology a

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mass sighting of a boomerang craft over

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the skies of Phoenix Arizona in 1997 for

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example or a disc-shaped object piercing

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O'Hare Airport in 2006

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the outer reaches of space with a

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discovery in 2016 of a habitable planet

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orbiting Earth's closest star Proxima

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it is such events and discoveries that

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converge into a desire to learn more and

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to know more about UFOs why then do some

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ufology every time it hits a brick wall

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we often fear that which we don't

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understand and if the history of UFO

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study has taught us anything it's that

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we understand very little yet even if we

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did would we not fear that knowledge as

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well in 1818 England at the age of 20

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Mary Shelley brought her now iconic

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monster to literary life it would have

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appear on the second edition in France

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the novel Frankenstein is arguably one

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of the first examples of science fiction

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the protagonist dr. Victor Frankenstein

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making a decision to create life using

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science alchemy and technology he

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achieves this divine goal with the

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results both fantastic

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terrifying the manifestation is the

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monster we've grown to fear and love so

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how exactly does this brilliantly

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grotesque story relate to ufology we can

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start with a sharp distinction between

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Shelly's original novel and the classic

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1931 film directed by James Whale near

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the beginning of the film dr.

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Frankenstein's assistant breaks into a

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university to steal a brain for his

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master's experiment he swipes a jar

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marked normal brain but is startled by a

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noise this causes him to drop the jar

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damaging the brain and rendering it

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useless he then takes a second jar

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labeled abnormal brain this would

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subsequently be implanted into the

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monster with disastrous results

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interestingly this entire scene had no

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part in the original novel regardless in

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consciousness was explored and the

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primitive creature found itself aware of

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its reality causing it to lash out in a

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frenzy of emotions it could neither

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process nor control at the monster any

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differently or perhaps not but the role

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of consciousness in the film narrative

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ufology we can look at the blood of the

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monster seek to study its physical

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matter or we can seek to understand its

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consciousness to do this we might start

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by turning the microscope on ourselves

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to understand better how our

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consciousness individual and collective

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interacts with phenomenal stimuli

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is the quality or state of being actual

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or true however when we look at the

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definitions of actual and true we find

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both words defined as consistent with

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reality the definitions not only

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contradict one another they circle

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around in a whirlpool of unverifiable

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factors therefore we find ourselves

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relying on something a bit more cerebral

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in addition to taste sight touch smell

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and hearing we have a sense of awareness

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we are aware of a reality which we

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believed into existence this theme was

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explored by the late Jim Keith co-author

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of the octopus and publisher of various

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alternative magazines in November of

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1995 Keith gave a talk in Atlanta

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Georgia or he went into a deep

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deconstruction of reality through the

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lens of human perception in a published

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magazine titled UFOs at the edge of

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reality keith stated awareness is

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potentially a creator and it can create

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freedoms and it can create limitations

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the fact that ten people or a thousand

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people believe the same thing does not

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render set thing any more real an

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absolute sense but it does point out the

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structural underpinning of the

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determinants of illusion called reality

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what people believe deep down is what

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they consider reality can we then

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phenomena rests solely on our belief in

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existence challenges the tightly

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imagination and points up the

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limitations of those definitions it

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seems to me that UFOs sometimes happily

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cross these lines of demarcation and

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by the definitions the way they do this

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else to the nature of reality what is

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real and what is possible in terms of

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the understanding and potential

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expansion of awareness this expansion of

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awareness needs also to be explored even

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to scratch the surface of the UFO enigma

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we must move past the mentality that we

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are dealing purely with nuts and bolts

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past the notion that the key to the UFO

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phenomenon lies in physical analysis

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Jacques Vallee once stated that human

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beings are under the control of a

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strange force that bends them in absurd

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ways forcing them to play a role in a

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bizarre game of deception could this

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deception relate to human perception the

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mind has perceptual limits a filtering

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mechanism that based on our awareness

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shows us only what we can process in a

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manageable format it works under

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restraints that have been carefully

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constructed throughout an individual's

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life and throughout the long history of

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our species are those who witness UFOs

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breaking those perceptual restraints

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awareness and perception are the heart

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of reality we perceive things on a scale

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of either filtering that which we see or

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when the scope is broadened we are aware

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of our newly enhanced perception thus

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altering our former perception of

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reality we have in essence created a new

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reality for ourselves this could be the

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very reason the UFO phenomenon exists in

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the first place could it be possible

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that we have created a phenomenon that

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stretches the limits of our own

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perceptual reality it may be that are

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established modes of logic limit us so

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greatly that we can't fully comprehend

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the monster we've created we must

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ultimately face the fact at some point

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the awareness of that monster is going

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to shape and mold our consciousness

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completely moving forward in a 2014

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article titled consciousness inside out

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science writer

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an anthropologist Eric Wargo states we

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are at a crux in our science and our

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culture when a new model is desperately

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needed to think about the relationship

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between consciousness and material

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reality much as I'm sympathetic with

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those who privilege consciousness

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against materialistic reductionism I

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think a more nuanced hierarchical

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relationship between mind and matter

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must be possible

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the majority of witnesses I've spoken

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with who've encountered UFOs have

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described feeling as though their

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reality was somehow altered in the

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moment time seems to slow down and the

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air around them sinks different their

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senses seem to either be heightened or

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disappear altogether it's as if the

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perception is fundamentally challenged

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and they are left with only a hazy

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memory of what they'd actually seen

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having no meaningful frame of reference

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in which to place it whether or not this

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is partly due to whatever is in control

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of the UFO is speculative it could very

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well be the tuner or limitation of the

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current awareness and perception of the

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individual and as Fargo points out we

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are left wondering if the materialistic

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makeup of the UFO is actually there in

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front of us to feel smell in here or if

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it's something bending as Fellay puts it

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into a contorted reality while many UFO

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researchers argue that the question is

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no longer if UFOs exist I argue that

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this still is in question it's a matter

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of how one views existence Largo goes on

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to say that the word exists comes from

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the Greek axis theory or to stand forth

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as mystics from time immemorial have

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insisted the material world is a

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manifestation of consciousness the self

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word continuum experienced passively has

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observed rather than actively as

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observing these two aspects passed from

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one another at certain mysterious

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boundaries in dreams

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death and in paranormal phenomena such

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as UFOs that turn our outside into an

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inside or vice-versa

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without our quite being aware how we

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made the passage this passage between

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established and newfound realities is

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where UFOs seem to float hover zip

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coasts appear and disappear in and out

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of ambiguity but even more interesting

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is the theory that the UFOs as physical

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objects we perceive have been created

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and manifested through our own

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pre-existing awareness of the UFO

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phenomenon to begin with we believe that

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UFOs are coming to us under their own

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volition but what if we were

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subconscious initiators pulling UFOs in

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this could explain why even in the case

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of mass sightings individuals see the

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same object slightly different from one

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another the previous awareness shaping

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and molding the object from their own

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set of reduction valves and evolving

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perception while the manifestation may

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begin with an individual source what

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happens when hundreds if not thousands

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of those individuals have the same

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thought we call this collective

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consciousness the term was introduced by

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the French sociologist Emile Durkheim in

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1893 and has since sparked much debate

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amongst sociologists psychologists and

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scientists but it may very well tell us

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more about UFOs than any sighting report

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or radar tracking ever could

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let's theorize for a moment that an

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extraterrestrial intelligence is

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responsible in part for some UFO

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phenomena and given that we now live in

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an age where privatized space travel is

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possible on a grand scale ambitions

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expand with every manned or unmanned

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journey as more time progresses and our

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reach beyond the stars stretches further

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we are collectively accepting that

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traveling to other planets is within

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reach and so is the possibility of

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discovering of their life-forms because

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of this expansion in the collective

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consciousness we may in fact

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be manifesting the extra-terrestrial

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presence in more ways than we think

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keeping in mind that many claim and

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believe we've already been visited by

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non-human intelligences is it possible

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that as we journey outward into the

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cosmos we are pulling this alien

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phenomenon closer to us they've accepted

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us into their reality having presumably

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been monitoring us for decades if not

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centuries is it now our turn to meet

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them halfway in his best-selling book

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passport - magana from folklore - flying

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saucers Jacques Vallee postulates there

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exists a natural phenomenon whose

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manifestations border on both the

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physical and the mental there is a

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medium in which human dreams can be

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implemented and this is the mechanism by

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which UFO events are generated needing

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no superior intelligence to trigger them

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this would explain the fugitivity of UFO

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manifestations the alleged contact with

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friendly occupants and the fact that the

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objects appear to keep pace with human

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technology and to use current symbols is

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it possible in valets opinion that there

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may be no other half to the nonhuman

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equation we may quite possibly be

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manifesting these events all on our own

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in a dreamlike state and through alien

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inspired interpretations but why do we

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deny this possibility that we are in

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control this some of us reflexive swords

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may depend on the lack of evidence

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whether scientifically philosophically

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psychologically or physically but to the

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contrary what stark irrefutable evidence

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do we have otherwise of purely physical

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nuts-and-bolts phenomena controlled

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solely by non-human intelligences

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while many scoff at the idea of a

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metaphysical approach to the UFO

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phenomenon which conjures images of New

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Agers and space brothers and sisters it

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very well could lead us to a new path

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but is it a bath worth taking what I

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learned of what several colleagues were

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going to talk about in this collection

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of essays of UFOs reframing the debate

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I noticed strikingly similar ideas and

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concepts to my own in terms of human

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manifestation of this phenomenon at

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first this made me hesitate fearing a

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stalemate in terms of bringing forth new

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contributions to the debate but pushing

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that small whisper of pride aside I

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realized this is exactly the point I

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wasn't alone in my ideas not only did it

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excite me to find others researching

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these topics but it made me feel that I

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was indeed on a path worth taking a

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notable addition to the debate is that

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of UFO researcher and author Greg Bishop

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who also theorizes that we may be

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manifesting UFO events unknowingly

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somewhere deep in the sub-conscience

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and that perhaps some UFO experiences

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may be co-created in the moment by the

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observer and some anomalous intelligence

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stimulus in conversation with me about

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this Bishop explained that our

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sub-conscience picks up many things in

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which our conscious minds are unaware

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the fact that some people can suffer

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head trauma and suddenly become amazing

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artists or mathematicians or speak a

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completely foreign language means that

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either we somehow all have this ability

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or we are constantly ingesting far more

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information that we possibly can use

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could we then theorize that UFO

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experiences which are often traumatic in

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nature unlock these doors in the mind

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one of the biggest issues with looking

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at this phenomenon is the investigators

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approach a Greg Bishop suggests that

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investigators should start with no

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preconceptions about what they are

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seeking the goal should be only to

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gather information from witnesses they

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should also begin to ask questions about

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subjective impressions such as how did

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it make you feel employing the skills of

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qualified mental health professionals

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should be a priority with an idea

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towards helping the witness integrate

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the experience on their own terms

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so while multiple contributors to this

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volume are peering into the

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consciousness aspects of the UFO

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phenomenon the majority of researchers

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remain steadfast on a nuts-and-bolts

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approach to ufology this is all fine and

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good perhaps the issue doesn't even lie

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in the divergence between hard data and

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a mind based deconstruction but in the

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question of whether the UFO phenomenon

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can convincingly be linked to something

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extraterrestrial to begin with Carl Jung

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once stated I'm puzzled to death about

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these phenomena because I haven't been

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able yet to make out with sufficient

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certainty whether the whole thing is a

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rumor with singular and mass

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hallucination or a downright fact either

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case would be highly interesting this

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idea of mass hallucination can arguably

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be traced back to the inception of the

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modern UFO era in 1947 Kenneth Arnold an

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amateur pilot from Idaho witnessed nine

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bright objects coasting along Mount

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Rainier in the southeast of Seattle

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Washington when interviewed by a local

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newspaper he described the objects

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movement like that of a saucer skipping

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across water either lazy editing or a

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desperate attempt at a gripping headline

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the newspaper mistakenly stated that

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Arnold had witnessed flying saucers in

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the air thus the term had been coined

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and thousands of reports began to

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trickle in of saucer shaped objects

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plaguing the sky

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was this merely a case of hysteria over

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people truly seeing saucer-shaped

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objects and if so were those saucers

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being piloted or controlled by non-human

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intelligences in his 2015 book how UFOs

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conquered the world dr. David Clarke

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explains that hysteria of sorts could

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play a pivotal role in the entire

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phenomenal conjecture what he has coined

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the UFO syndrome weaves in and out of a

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mythological stance on UFOs and their

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possible occupants Clarke believes that

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culture itself feeds the phenomenon for

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the perception of it in an endless

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feedback loop between stories passed

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down through media and genuine

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experiences while Kenneth Arnold may

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indeed have seen something in the skies

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over Washington it was a quote

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misconstrued that ushered in the entire

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flying saucer phenomenon or syndrome

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thereafter now this is not to say that

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UFOs were not flying through our skies

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prior to Arnold's sighting but what we

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have now engrained so deeply in our

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minds as mechanisms piloted by non-human

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intelligences or forever hold a place in

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both cultural and individual experiences

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with the elusiveness of the UFO and the

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complexity of its study a being and

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flowing between believers and skeptics

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Clark mirrors some of the words Bishop

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did as well stating that the UFO

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syndrome is fueled not only by the

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vagaries of human perception but also by

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a strong psychological and cultural

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attachment to the theory and the

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protective efforts of a community of

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advocates the ufologists

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we can explore new paths all we want

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what this comes down to are the follow

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chests no matter how grounded in

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scientific method or how metaphysical or

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cerebral they choose to be it comes down

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to those who decide to spend their time

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knowledge and resources studying the

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phenomenon but instead of watching a

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phantom war between realists and

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dreamers perhaps we might benefit from

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standing if only for a little while with

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one foot in each camp

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perhaps in seeking to bridge that divide

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between the two approaches we can bring

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new life to a field that dies time and

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time again by our own hand and through

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our own blinker perspectives we must

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look beyond the strictures we've helped

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to create and bring life to a monster we

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want neither to destroy nor resurrect

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ever again we must let it live on its

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own terms and in its own image we may

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even look to james wells brilliant 1931

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film for inspiration with a naive yet

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passionate dr. frankenstein asks have

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you never wanted to do anything that was

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dangerous why should we be if nobody

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tried to find out what lies beyond you

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never wanted to look beyond the clouds

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and the stars or know what of course is

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the trees too bad and what change is a

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darkness into the night

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but if you talk like that people call

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you crazy well if I could discover just

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one of these things I wouldn't care if

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they didn't think I was crazy crazy or

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not we must look at ourselves in a

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mirror so clear that the reflections

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staring back will lead us forward in

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ways we can only imagine the reality of

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UFOs may bring us closer together than

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we ever thought possible both here on

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earth and perhaps someone in the cosmos

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we've only begun to explore

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Third Kind productions in association

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